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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2012 13:15:52 GMT -5
Tails82, misser of points.
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Post by Tails82 on Jun 12, 2012 3:57:42 GMT -5
Jen: Jen
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Post by Laharls_Wrath on Jun 12, 2012 4:02:00 GMT -5
actually I think the point is Nitro brought up irrelevant nonsense because the argument that eugenics are bad because of Hitler is silly and was used by no one so that whole post was pointless
although I havent been paying much attention to the conversation so I could be wrong
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Post by Tails82 on Jun 12, 2012 5:06:01 GMT -5
The point is not eugenics was bad because Hitler used it, Hitler was bad for using eugenics.
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Post by Pyro ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ ✔ on Jun 12, 2012 5:19:32 GMT -5
Are there any other famous people called Hitler?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2012 13:31:10 GMT -5
Still missing the point. Eugenics are not bad, and they certainly aren't any more racist than databases.
Sure you could use both of them poorly, this is a fault in the user, not the system.
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Post by Laharls_Wrath on Jun 12, 2012 15:23:00 GMT -5
I agree with eugenics but saying Hitler used databases yet databases are good, Hitler used eugenics therefore eugenics are not bad
is really really faulty logic
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Post by Tails82 on Jun 13, 2012 1:15:38 GMT -5
All right, what's the good use for eugenics?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2012 1:40:29 GMT -5
As a small example, my biological dad needs glasses.
My sister needs glasses, my brother needs glasses, and I need glasses.
He knew his eyes were shortsighted long before he even met my mom, and so he had no business having kids, being a total asshole aside.
There are many more severe genetic problems that simply should NOT be passed down, ever.
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Post by Tails82 on Jun 13, 2012 1:48:51 GMT -5
So it'd be a good thing to tell certain people they can't have kids?
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Post by Laharls_Wrath on Jun 13, 2012 1:50:56 GMT -5
I don't think needing glasses is that big of a deal >_>
but when it comes to more severe genetic problems then yeah
but I'm pretty sure life outweighs shortsightedness (assuming you view life as a positive) so I see no issue with someone who is shortsighted having children
the issue is when you've a severe enough genetic issue that is would outright ruin the lives of your children and that there are no corrections for through modern technology
saying "you've bad eyesight you can't have kids" is a few steps too far since you can just buy your kids some glasses
unless you've bad eyesight and can't afford to buy your kids glasses but that's a whole new story
edit: unless you're talking improving the species as a whole but humanity has a history of carrying deadweight over evolution and I suppose you can correct that but with technology where it is it's far from necessary and if you're not going all out with genocide then I just view it as a gutless variant and I can't back that
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Post by Tails82 on Jun 13, 2012 1:54:59 GMT -5
It's better not to do anything than try to set a line, which would most likely continue to be revised down, and it's better to look for solutions to problems people have rather than tell people they're the problem.
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Post by Laharls_Wrath on Jun 13, 2012 1:56:17 GMT -5
the problem is people
and I don't mean some people
all people
humanraceneedstoendalreadyetcetcyouknowwhereI'mgoingwiththis
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2012 1:58:08 GMT -5
Praying your kid won't inherit your flipper arms doesn't prevent your kid from inheriting flipper arms.
Lines DO need drawn.
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Post by Tails82 on Jun 13, 2012 2:01:22 GMT -5
Parents can do what they want, there is no right to bar people who are deemed to have inferior genes.
Yeah and I don't like it.
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