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Post by Mastery on Nov 20, 2013 15:36:56 GMT -5
Oh, ok, you have to move the fan out of the way.
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Post by Jordan Ω on Nov 20, 2013 15:43:07 GMT -5
Nah, GM, this is fan-seeking-poo. You gotta remove the fan entirely.
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Post by Tails82 on Nov 20, 2013 15:46:00 GMT -5
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Post by Chromeo on Nov 21, 2013 16:29:21 GMT -5
Buses have never inspired the same affection, too comfortable and cushioned to have a moral dimension. Trams were bare and bony, transport reduced to its basic elements, and they had a song to sing, which buses never did. I was away at university when they started to phase them out, Leeds as always in too much of a hurry to get to the future, and so doing the wrong thing. I knew at the time that it was a mistake, just as Beeching was a mistake, and that life was starting to get nastier.
Shine on you crazy diamond ;_;
(it sounds a little melodramatic but in his time the tram was a symbol of industrial working-classness, you see, it's social commentary)
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Post by Chromeo on Nov 21, 2013 16:31:22 GMT -5
"6th-century BCE pre-Socratic Greek philosophers Thales of Miletus and Xenophanes of Colophon were the first in the region to attempt to explain the world in terms of human reason rather than myth and tradition, thus can be said to be the first Greek humanists. Thales questioned the notion of anthropomorphic gods and Xenophanes refused to recognise the gods of his time and reserved the divine for the principle of unity in the universe. These Ionian Greeks were the first thinkers to assert that nature is available to be studied separately from the supernatural realm. Anaxagoras brought philosophy and the spirit of rational inquiry from Ionia to Athens. Pericles, the leader of Athens during the period of its greatest glory was an admirer of Anaxagoras. Other influential pre-Socratics or rational philosophers include Protagoras (like Anaxagoras a friend of Pericles), known for his famous dictum "man is the measure of all things" and Democritus, who proposed that matter was composed of atoms. Little of the written work of these early philosophers survives and they are known mainly from fragments and quotations in other writers, principally Plato and Aristotle. The historian Thucydides, noted for his scientific and rational approach to history, is also much admired by later humanists.[16] In the 3rd century BCE, Epicurus became known for his concise phrasing of the problem of evil, lack of belief in the afterlife, and human-centred approaches to achieving eudaimonia. He was also the first Greek philosopher to admit women to his school as a rule."
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Post by Tails82 on Nov 21, 2013 16:35:49 GMT -5
Did you write that yourself?
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Post by Chromeo on Nov 21, 2013 16:37:29 GMT -5
Obviously not, I'm not much of a scholar on ancient Greece. Hell I don't even read that many books from/about the 20th century let alone before. But I think it demonstrates the point.
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Post by Tails82 on Nov 21, 2013 16:38:25 GMT -5
So you made the statement first and then went looking because you weren't familiar with any?
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Post by Chromeo on Nov 21, 2013 16:45:45 GMT -5
Err no, I had already read and heard that humanism had roots in the classical era (and ancient Asia, dunno what you call that though) and went looking for a source like you asked.
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Post by Tails82 on Nov 21, 2013 17:11:01 GMT -5
I think the problem here is that there's a lack of understanding when it comes to the definition of humanism. People like Erasmus were humanists, for example. The definition is very broad...I'm all for classical humanism. What you're arguing for is a recent atheistic misuse of the term because someone decided it would sound good when added on the side.
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Post by Chromeo on Nov 21, 2013 17:21:41 GMT -5
Secular Humanism is a branch of Humanism. It's hardly a 'misuse'.
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Post by Tails82 on Nov 21, 2013 17:27:46 GMT -5
Well that's something different. With its backers from the bloody, failed French Revolution to its current Marxist mass murderers.
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Post by Tails82 on Nov 21, 2013 18:41:08 GMT -5
"How can he not have anything better to do with his time!? What genuine troll has this kind of staying power?"
Mweheheheh, this one's going in the file.
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Post by Chromeo on Nov 22, 2013 12:08:21 GMT -5
"I HAD ALWAYS HEARD THAT BLACK SHEEP GET THE SLUTTY GENES, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S TRUE!"
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Post by Laharls_Wrath on Nov 22, 2013 19:01:34 GMT -5
"Get the fuck up" -Mastermind with aced inspire
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